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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number 746 for the 22nd of

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January 2023 Richard Saunders coming to

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you from Sydney Australia where it's

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been um nice weather actually for this

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time of year muggy for sure very humid

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but uh not too hot so what's today today

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is overcast and raining

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but there you go coming up on this

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week's Show Adrian Hill with part two of

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her series looking at Wiki projects now

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last time uh Adrian looked at topics

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when it comes to Wikipedia on the

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Paranormal the top 10 paranormal uh

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sites on Wikipedia this week she's going

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to look at the top 10 sites regarding

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skepticism

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a fascinating look into Wikipedia and

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what people are looking at online

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following that it's another segment

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involving the artificial intelligence of

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chat GPT

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I did a segment in the beginning of uh

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December about this uh search engine

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search engine what would you call it

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this week this week I'm going to ask it

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about classical skeptical topics

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and then to round off the show the Trove

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segment looks at a very classical

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skeptical topic indeed

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creationism

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something you don't hear about too much

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what did the Australian newspapers have

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to say or report about creationism going

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1980s and one even further back this

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week in the 1930s a big shout out to my

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friend Maynard who I saw just the other

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evening and I was very happy to present

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Maynard with a poster I found in

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Berkeley in California

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it's a big poster of the 1966 Batman

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movie starring Adam West and bird Ward

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quite something and speaking of uh

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things Japanese a shout out to my friend

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Michelle because Mario reporter in

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Melbourne who is also a good friend of

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the skeptical fairy as she is soon to

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embark on another year of teaching

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but enough about that it's time for me

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to run downstairs and see if there's a

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leftover jalapeno sausage from last

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night's dinner might try that while I do

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with Adrian Hill

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hello everyone this is part two of my

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series of reports looking at Wiki

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projects on Wikipedia according to

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Wikipedia's own definition a Wiki

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project is quote a group of editors that

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wish to work together as a team to

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improve Wikipedia a successful Wiki

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project contributes toward Wikipedia's

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mission of building an encyclopedia end

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this time we are going to take a look at

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the Articles associated with a Wiki

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project of particular interest to

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Skeptics Wiki project skepticism and

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this Wiki project states that it is

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dedicated to creating improving and

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monitoring articles related to

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rational skepticism or skeptical inquiry

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the focus includes articles about claims

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which are contrary to the current body

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the Paranormal the project ensures that

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this Project's main page is called Wiki

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project underscore skepticism and you

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the links in this week's show notes

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and now with the help of Richard

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Saunders let's take a look at the top 10

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number 10 on the list with a daily

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7498 views is Gwyneth Paltrow

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according to her wiki page Gwyneth Kate

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time Emmy Award now the part of her page

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that is of interest to Skeptics is her

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products

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in September 2008 Paltrow launched the

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encouraging readers to quote nourish the

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inner aspect end quote goop has expanded

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into a web-based company goop.com goop

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backlash for showcasing expensive

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many of which have harmful consequences

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the controversies have included vaginal

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a NASA developed material goop settled a

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lawsuit regarding the health claims it

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8513 views is MK Ultra something I don't

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MK Ultra was an illegal human

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weaken individuals and force confessions

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power distribution in his high voltage

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high frequency power experiments in New

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York and Colorado Springs in 1893 he

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of wireless communication with his

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devices

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Tesla tried to put these ideas to

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practical use in his unfinished Warden

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Cliff Tower project an international

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Wireless communication and power

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transmitter but ran out of funding

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before he could complete it

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and to add to that I would recommend if

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you're interested in Nikola Tesla to

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listen or read Brian dunning's take on

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Tesla which can be found at skiptoid.com

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episode 3 4 5 The Cult of Nikola Tesla

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at number five on the list with a daily

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9167 views is the Illuminati

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the Illuminati which is plural of Latin

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illuminatus or enlightened

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is a name given to several groups both

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real and fictitious

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historically the name usually refers to

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the Bavarian Illuminati an Enlightenment

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era secret society founded on the 1st of

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May 1776 in Bavaria Today part of

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Germany

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the society's goals were to oppose

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Superstition obscurantism religious

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influence over public life and abuses of

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state power quote the order of the day

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end quote they wrote in their General

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statuses quote is to put an end to the

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machinations of the purveyors of

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Injustice to control them without

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dominating them end quote

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the Illuminati along with Freemasonry

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and other secret societies were outlawed

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through edict by Charles Theodore

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elector of Bavaria with the

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encouragement of the Catholic church in

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1784 1785 1787 and 1790.

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during subsequent years the group was

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generally vilified by conservative and

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religious critics who claimed that the

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Illuminati continued underground and

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were responsible for the French

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Revolution

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in subsequent use Illuminati has been

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used when referring to various

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organizations which are alleged to be a

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continuation of the original Bavarian

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Illuminati though these links have not

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been substantiated

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these organizations have often been

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accused of conspiring to control world

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affairs by masterminding events and

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planting agents in government and

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corporations in order to gain political

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power and influence and to establish a

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new world order

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Central to some of the more widely known

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and elaborate conspiracy theories the

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Illuminati are depicted as lurking in

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the shadows and pulling the strings and

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levers of power

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this view of the Illuminati has found

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its way into popular culture appearing

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in dozens of novels films television

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shows Comics video games and music

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videos

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at number four on the list with a daily

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average of

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9149 views is

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Q Anon according to its wiki page Q Anon

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is an American political conspiracy

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theory and political movement it

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originated in the American far-right

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political sphere in 2017. Q Anon centers

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on the fabricated claims made by an

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anonymous individual or individuals

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known as Q those claims have been

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relayed developed and supplemented by

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numerous communities and influences

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associated with the movement the core Q

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Anon conspiracy theory is that a cabal

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of satanic cannibalistic sexual abusers

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of children operating a global child sex

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trafficking ring conspired against

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former U.S president Donald Trump during

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his term in office the Q Anon conspiracy

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theory has direct routes in pizzagate an

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internet conspiracy theory that appeared

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one year earlier it also incorporates

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elements of many other theories some

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experts have described Q Anon as a cult

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followers of the conspiracy theorists

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say the Trump Administration secretly

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fought the cabal of pedophiles and would

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conduct Mass arrests and execution of

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thousands of cabal members on the day

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known as quote the storm end quote or

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quote the event end quote cure

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non-conspiracy Believers have named

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Democratic politicians Hollywood actors

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high-ranking government officials

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business tycoons and medical experts as

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members of the cabal Q Anon has also

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claimed that Trump stimulated the

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conspiracy of Russian interference in

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the 2016 United States presidential

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election to enlist Robert Mueller to

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join him in exposing the sex trafficking

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ring and to prevent a coup d'etat by

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Barack Obama Hillary Clinton and George

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Soros kyunan is described as

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anti-semitic or rooted in anti-semitic

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tropes due to its fixation Nation on

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Jewish financier George Soros and

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conspiracy theories about the Rothschild

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family a frequent Target of anti-semites

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Q Anon followers have perpetrated acts

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of violence on numerous occasions

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members of the movement actively took

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part in the 2020 United States

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presidential election during which they

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supported Trump's campaign and waged

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information Warfare in attempt to

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influence voters after Joe Biden won

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they were involved in efforts to

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overturn the results of the election

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several Associates of trump such as

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general Michael Flynn and two members of

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his legal team Lynn wood and Sydney

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Powell have prompted q and un-derived

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conspiracy theories when these tactics

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failed Trump supporters many of them Q

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Anon followers attacked the U.S capital

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on January 6 2021 the capital attack was

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a watershed moment for Q Anon and led to

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a further more substantiated social

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media Crackdown on the movement and its

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claims

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at number three on the list with a daily

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average of

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9275 views is realism

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according to its wiki page realism also

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known as raelianism is a UFO religion

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founded in 1970s France by Claude verion

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now known as real

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Scholars of religion classify realism as

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a new religious movement the group is

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formalized as the international raelian

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movement or irm or raelian church a

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hierarchical organization under rael's

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leadership realism teaches that an

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extraterrestrial species known as the

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Elohim

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created Humanity using their advanced

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technology an atheistic religion it

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holds that the Elohim have historically

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been mistaken for Gods it claims that

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throughout history the Elohim have

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created 40 Elohim human hybrids who have

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served as prophets preparing Humanity

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for news about their Origins among them

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are the Buddha Jesus and Muhammad with

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real himself the 40th and final prophet

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realists believe that since the atomic

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bombing of Hiroshima in 1945 Humanity

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has entered an Age of Apocalypse in

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which it threatens itself with nuclear

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Annihilation realism holds that Humanity

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must find a way to harness new

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scientific and technological development

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for peaceful purposes and that when this

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has been achieved the Elohim will return

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to Earth to share their technology with

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humanity and establish a Utopia

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to this end raelians have sought to

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build an embassy for the Elohim that

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incorporates a landing pad for their

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spaceship raelians engage in daily

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meditation hoping for physical

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immortality through human cloning and

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promote a liberal ethical system with a

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strong emphasis on sexual

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at number two on the list with a daily

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average of 11

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256 views is Hunter Biden laptop

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conspiracy according to its wiki page in

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October 2020 a controversy emerged

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involving data from a laptop belonging

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to Hunter Biden that was abandoned in

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the Delaware computer shop the New York

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Post published the first story based on

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information provided by Rudy Giuliani

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forensic analysis later authenticated

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some of the data on the laptop including

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one of two key emails used in the post

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in their initial reporting no evidence

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of illegality by Joe Biden has been

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shown from the laptop contents on

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October 14 three weeks before the 2020

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United States presidential election the

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New York Post published a story

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presenting emails from the laptop and

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stating that they showed corruption by

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Joe Biden incumbent president and

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presidential candidate Donald Trump

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tried to turn the story into an October

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surprise to hurt Joe Biden's campaign

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with Trump asserting the false

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conspiracy theory that Joe Biden and

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acted corruptly regarding Ukraine while

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in office the hard drive data had been

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shared with the FBI and Republican

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operatives before being given to the

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Press PolitiFact wrote in June 2021 that

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while quote over time there has been

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less doubt that the laptop did in fact

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belong to Hunter Biden and quote the

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laptop quote was real in the sense that

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it exists but didn't prove much end

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quote as quote nothing from the laptop

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is revealed illegal or unethical

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Behavior by Joe Biden as vice president

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with regard to his son's tenure as a

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director for verisma end quote in

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November 2022 CBS News published a

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forensic analysis it commissioned which

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examined a quote clean and quote copy of

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the data obtained directly from the

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repair shop operator that analysis

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concluded that the clean data including

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over 120

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000 emails originated with Hunter Biden

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and had not been altered contrasting

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that to other copies circulated by

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Republican operatives which quote could

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have been tampered with end quote The

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Washington Post reported that experts at

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their request had authenticated a number

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of emails including one that was the

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subject of the New York Post reporting

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the drive analyzed for the Washington

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Post lacked a clear chain of custody and

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was considered quote a mess end quote

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and quote a disaster and quote from a

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forensic standpoint by two analysts it

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contains emails Mark II and from Hunter

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Biden and other digital files relating

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to him two forensic analysts who

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independently examined the data for the

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Washington Post authenticated

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1828 and 22 000 emails respectively of

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the almost 129

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000 emails on the hard drive in 2022

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neither analysts could verify the vast

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majority of the data nor could they find

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evidence of tampering in some cases the

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post-matched content to other sources

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quote that the experts were not able to

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assess end quote the unverified emails

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included some prominently reported

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previously by other news outlets the

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analysis found that people other than

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Biden had created six new folders on the

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drive over a week after the original

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report by the New York Post and months

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after the laptop had been taken into FBI

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custody it also found that data had been

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accessed and copied off the drive by

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people other than Biden over nearly

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three years

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at number one on the list with a daily

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average of twenty seven thousand two

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hundred and eighty views is Coral Castle

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which we covered in part one of this

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series

565
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since articles can have multiple tags

566
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this is not surprising

567
00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:25,919
and if you remember this is up

568
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considerably from the

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8625 daily views we used from the

570
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December stats

571
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and in fact one day the views almost

572
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reached ninety thousand now to recap

573
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according to his wiki page Coral Castle

574
00:25:48,370 --> 00:25:45,299
is an oolite Limestone structure created

575
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by the Latvian American eccentric Edward

576
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it is located in unincorporated

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territory of Miami-Dade County Florida

578
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between the cities of Homestead and

579
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Leisure City

580
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,659
the structure comprises numerous large

581
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Stones each weighing several tons

582
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scripted into a variety of shapes

583
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,159
including slab walls tables chairs a

584
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crescent moon a water fountain and a

585
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sundial

586
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:17,400
it is currently a privately operated

587
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tourist attraction

588
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,120
Coral Castle is noted for Legends

589
00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:23,159
surrounding its creation but claim it

590
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:25,380
was built single-handedly by lead

591
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skelden using a reverse magnetism or

592
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supernatural abilities to move and carve

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[Music]

594
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and there you have it the 10 list as

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recorded on the wiki project skepticism

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and now before you ask here are the

597
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subjects making up numbers 11 to 20.

598
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:53,900
Gregory Rasputin Alex Jones

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Bermuda Triangle biblical Magi Our Lady

600
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of Guadalupe Marjorie Taylor green

601
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dunning-kruger effect

602
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Myers-Briggs type indicator Graham

603
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:08,360
Hancock and at number 20

604
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pizzagate conspiracy theory

605
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in the next segment I'll look for the

606
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,140
wiki project for cryptozoology and see

607
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:17,760
what the top page views are for

608
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mysterious animals and monsters but for

609
00:27:24,340 --> 00:27:23,340
now this is Adrian Hill signing off from

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Canada

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[Music]

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foreign

613
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did you know that you can listen to the

614
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:45,419
skeptic Zone on YouTube yes I know

615
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,529
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

616
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:56,520
with Michelle big Asma and funny

617
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:58,200
sketches with Richard Saunders and a

618
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host of other Skeptics

619
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foreign

620
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just click on the YouTube links on the

621
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[Music]

622
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:29,159
at the beginning of December 2022 I did

623
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:30,840
a segment on the skeptic Zone looking at

624
00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:34,860
the wondrous new chat GPT the artificial

625
00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:36,539
intelligence interface where you can

626
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:38,520
type in questions and

627
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:41,220
see what it has to say about many issues

628
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,580
it's got a lot of teachers concerned

629
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:46,559
it's going to be interesting to see what

630
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,380
happens this year at schools around the

631
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,480
world where more and more students might

632
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:53,820
be tempted to have their homework

633
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:56,960
written for them by this interesting

634
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:00,840
interface now at the at the time we

635
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:04,559
looked at various things it could do I

636
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,980
put it to chat GPT that I'd like to know

637
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:09,900
what a skeptical podcast from Australia

638
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:12,059
would be like and it came in a very

639
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,460
interesting answer I also had a funny

640
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:17,279
story about UFOs and beer with Brian

641
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,340
Dunning and even a poem dedicated to the

642
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:22,559
skeptical Fairy Godmother angel from the

643
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:23,520
internet

644
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:27,480
now inspired by some work done by my

645
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:29,640
skeptical friend Rob Palmer the

646
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:31,500
well-known skeptic I've put some more

647
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:34,860
questions to chat GPT along the lines of

648
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:38,880
what we do the Paranormal the uh the

649
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:42,179
investigation of strange and mysterious

650
00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:43,320
things

651
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,990
so let's ask Chet GPT about some of the

652
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:53,440
uh the main topics in skepticism

653
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:57,120
[Music]

654
00:30:03,950 --> 00:29:58,679
question

655
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:03,960
what is your opinion of Psychics answer

656
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,080
as an AI I don't have personal opinions

657
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:09,840
or beliefs psychics are individuals who

658
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:11,820
claim to have the ability to perceive

659
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,080
information that is not available

660
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,840
through the five senses and to use this

661
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,480
ability to provide guidance or insights

662
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,880
to others some people believe that

663
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:23,520
psychics have a real and valuable

664
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:26,820
ability While others are skeptical of

665
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:29,159
their claims it is important to note

666
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,020
that the existence of psychic abilities

667
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,779
is not supported by scientific evidence

668
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,720
and many experts consider psychic claims

669
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,440
to be pseudoscience the American

670
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,000
Psychological Association has stated

671
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,640
that quote there is no scientific

672
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:47,279
evidence that psychic abilities exist

673
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,039
end quote it is also worth mentioning

674
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:52,140
that there are people who falsely claim

675
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,140
to be psychics and use this to scam

676
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:57,840
people out of money therefore it is

677
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,299
important to be careful when seeking the

678
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:03,360
services of a psychic and to be aware of

679
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:06,600
the potential for fraud in general it is

680
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:08,940
best to approach psychic claims with a

681
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,580
healthy dose of skepticism and to be

682
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:14,100
cautious of any information provided by

683
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:16,380
a psychic that cannot be verified by

684
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,779
other means

685
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:20,880
so a pretty uh

686
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:24,779
Fair response to that question I thought

687
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:27,480
okay chat GPT here's the next question

688
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:31,919
for you does Bigfoot exist and chat GPT

689
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,659
says

690
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,940
there is no scientific evidence to

691
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:38,399
support the existence of Bigfoot most

692
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:39,960
scientists believe that claims of

693
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,799
Bigfoot sightings can be explained as

694
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:45,059
misidentifications of known animals or

695
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:47,640
hoaxes however some people continue to

696
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,100
believe in the creature's existence and

697
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:52,980
search for evidence to support it and I

698
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,159
think that's a very well-rounded answer

699
00:32:02,930 --> 00:31:59,279
and the next question for chat GPT

700
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,940
can people bend spoons with the power of

701
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:04,679
their minds

702
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,720
and chat GPT says it is not possible for

703
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,640
people to bend spoons with the power of

704
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:14,640
their minds the idea that one can bend

705
00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:16,260
objects with the power of their mind

706
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:18,779
also known as psychokinesis is often

707
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,899
associated with Stage magic or psychic

708
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,720
powers however there is no scientific

709
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:26,640
evidence to support the idea that

710
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,640
psychokinesis is real many of the spoon

711
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,559
bending demonstrations that have been

712
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:33,539
presented as evidence of psychokinesis

713
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,840
have been revealed as simple tricks or

714
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:38,399
illusions

715
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:40,260
now I was going to put in a question

716
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:43,140
about UFOs but we did cover that on the

717
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,620
first segment of chat GPT on the uh

718
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,539
on the first week in the first week of

719
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:51,179
December so let me try putting this

720
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:55,140
question to the artificial intelligence

721
00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:58,200
does Homeopathy work

722
00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:01,860
and this is the opinion of chat GPT

723
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:03,860
or the information that is gathered

724
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:06,299
Homeopathy is a system of alternative

725
00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:08,220
medicine that is based on the belief

726
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:11,159
that dilute amounts of a substance that

727
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:14,279
causes the symptoms of a disease in a

728
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:17,460
healthy person can cure similar symptoms

729
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,980
in a sick person however scientific

730
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:21,539
evidence does not support the

731
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:24,600
effectiveness of Homeopathy many Studies

732
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,799
have found that the benefits of

733
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,080
Homeopathy are no greater than those of

734
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,200
a placebo the principles of Homeopathy

735
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,419
are also at odds with established

736
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:35,460
scientific laws such as the law of

737
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:37,860
thermodynamics and the principles of

738
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,440
chemistry and physics Homeopathy is

739
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:42,659
considered by most of the scientific

740
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,539
Community as an unproven and ineffective

741
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,700
form of medicine and is not widely

742
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,200
accepted by mainstream medical

743
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,659
practitioners while some people may find

744
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:54,240
relief from symptoms by using Homeopathy

745
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:57,659
it is likely due to a placebo effect or

746
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:00,840
other non-specific effects

747
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,059
I'm beginning to think that chat GPT

748
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,760
might be a bit of a skeptic all right

749
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:08,639
let's get into the fun stuff hey tell me

750
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,099
chat GPT as I type aha

751
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:18,290
real

752
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:21,899
and chat cheap ET says the existence of

753
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,540
ghosts is a topic of debate and there is

754
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,339
no scientific evidence to support their

755
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:28,800
existence many people believe in ghosts

756
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:30,839
often basing their belief on personal

757
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,720
experiences or cultural Traditions

758
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:35,700
however there are many alternative

759
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,580
explanations for the experiences that

760
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,520
are often attributed to ghosts such as

761
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:43,919
psychological factors misinterpretation

762
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:46,980
of natural phenomena and hoaxes the

763
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:48,839
scientific Community generally does not

764
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:51,540
consider ghosts to be real and explains

765
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:53,159
alleged ghost sightings another

766
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,320
paranormal phenomena as a result of

767
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:57,900
natural or human-made causes such as

768
00:35:03,849 --> 00:35:01,320
hallucinations sleep paralysis cognitive

769
00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:03,859
biases and various other factors

770
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:06,420
ultimately whether ghosts are real or

771
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:09,780
not is a matter of personal belief as

772
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:11,700
there is no scientific evidence to prove

773
00:35:17,569 --> 00:35:14,280
or disprove the existence of ghosts

774
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,579
a little bit of a a Wishy washing ending

775
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:20,400
to that uh opinion

776
00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:23,339
now let's gaze into the future let me

777
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:25,859
ask can

778
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,740
you tell the future

779
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:30,720
via

780
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:39,109
and chat GPT says astrology is a belief

781
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,740
system that posits a relationship

782
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,200
between celestial bodies and events on

783
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:45,780
earth a astrology is not considered a

784
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,700
science and there is no scientific

785
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,680
evidence to support the idea that the

786
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:51,300
positions and movements of celestial

787
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:54,180
bodies have any impact on human Affairs

788
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,060
astrology is not a reliable method for

789
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:59,040
predicting the future the predictions

790
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:01,020
made by astrologers are often based on

791
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:02,940
generalizations and lack specific

792
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:05,880
information furthermore astrology does

793
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:07,619
not take into account the many other

794
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:09,660
factors that can influence the course of

795
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:11,940
events the scientific Community does not

796
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:14,760
support the idea of astrology being able

797
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:16,920
to predict the future and it is

798
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,859
considered a pseudoscience the idea of

799
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,599
using the stars in the planet's

800
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,880
positions to tell the future is a

801
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:26,400
Superstition and it's not supported by

802
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,380
any scientific evidence

803
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:30,359
I'm beginning to wonder if people are

804
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:33,660
going to think that chat GPT is just a a

805
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:39,119
shill a stooge for big skepticism

806
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,680
you can

807
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:43,200
wonder what happens when a believer in

808
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:45,240
astrology or palmistry we haven't tried

809
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:47,700
Palmer Street but those sort of things

810
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:50,760
puts these questions to chat GPT and

811
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:53,700
finds these skeptical responses

812
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,280
but having said the the palmistry one

813
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:58,560
I'll try that to round off this segment

814
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:01,500
hey tell me chat GPT

815
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:05,760
is palmistry a real phenomena palmistry

816
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:08,460
also known as chiromancy is the practice

817
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,500
of studying the lines and other features

818
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,540
of the hand such as the shape of the

819
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,599
fingers and the mounts to predict a

820
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,060
person's future or character like

821
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:20,280
astrology it is not considered a science

822
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,260
and there is no scientific evidence to

823
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:24,480
support the validity of palmistry as a

824
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,280
method of predicting the future or

825
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:28,560
determining a person's character

826
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:30,540
palmistry is often considered a

827
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:32,579
pseudoscience and its predictions are

828
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,380
not reliable there is no scientific

829
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:36,900
evidence that the shapes or lines on the

830
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:39,660
hand are related to a person's

831
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,540
personality or future events the claims

832
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,119
made by palmists are not supported by

833
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:47,640
scientific research and the practice is

834
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:49,260
not recognized by the scientific

835
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,339
community

836
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:53,040
while some people may find entertainment

837
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,619
or personal meaning in palmistry it

838
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,839
should not be considered a credible or

839
00:38:02,450 --> 00:37:59,880
reliable method for predicting the

840
00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:02,460
future or understanding a person's

841
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:08,870
[Applause]

842
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,160
and so there we go a little look at some

843
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:14,160
of the classical topics in skepticism

844
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,220
somebody more

845
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:20,339
can we say mainstream skeptical topics

846
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:21,960
there are hundreds of topics in

847
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:23,400
skepticism and

848
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:27,240
I wonder what chat GPT thinks of of even

849
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:28,500
more of them

850
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:31,380
maybe in a future episode we might look

851
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:35,940
at some more classical skeptical topics

852
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:38,700
artificial intelligence will that be the

853
00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:43,079
uh will that be the Keystone of 2023 I

854
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:57,589
[Music]

855
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,260
Dr Harriet Hall MD known to thousands as

856
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:03,660
the skep talk was a retired family

857
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,700
physician and former Air Force flight

858
00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:08,000
surgeon who wrote about medicine

859
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:10,500
so-called complementary and Alternative

860
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,920
Medicine Science quackery and critical

861
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:15,119
thinking

862
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:18,660
Harriet produced a free online course of

863
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,940
10 video lectures on science-based

864
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:24,000
medicine and alternative medicine

865
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:26,460
the videos and an accompanying course

866
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,619
guide can be found by following the link

867
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:29,839
at

868
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:33,660
skipdoc.info or by visiting tinyurl.com

869
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,380
forward slash skep doc series

870
00:39:40,990 --> 00:39:39,300
topics covered in the series are

871
00:39:43,569 --> 00:39:41,000
science-based medicine versus

872
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:43,579
evidence-based medicine what is Cam

873
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,680
Chiropractic acupuncture Homeopathy

874
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:49,200
naturopathy and herbal medicine Energy

875
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:51,980
Medicine miscellaneous Alternatives

876
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:55,320
pitfalls in research and science-based

877
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,140
Medicine in the media and politics

878
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:00,720
Harriet covers each Topic in a matter of

879
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,180
fact no-nonsense way that is sure to

880
00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:05,760
educate and entertain

881
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:07,880
find it at

882
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:11,820
tinyurl.com forward slash skep doc

883
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:13,130
series

884
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:32,660
[Music]

885
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:35,150
now it's time once again to dive into

886
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:39,680
those pages at Trove that

887
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,060
drove.nla.gov dot a u

888
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:44,460
is free online resource from the

889
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:45,660
Australian government and the National

890
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,359
Library of Australia and as we've

891
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:51,480
mentioned on the show before that is in

892
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:53,880
doubt for the future because of funding

893
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,040
let's hope the government can supply

894
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,920
some funding but for now there are

895
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:00,599
millions of Articles at your fingertips

896
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:03,240
all searchable going back to Australian

897
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,540
newspaper history and this week I

898
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,700
thought we'd look at a topic I don't

899
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:10,880
think we've covered on Trove before

900
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,099
mainly because well if you don't hear

901
00:41:21,890 --> 00:41:16,740
about it much anymore this is the

902
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,750
foreign

903
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,609
the Australian Skeptics over 20 years

904
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:30,480
ago this was still a relatively Hot

905
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:31,560
Topic

906
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,260
and it was

907
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:36,480
talked about it was in the news all

908
00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:38,099
sorts of things were going on but over

909
00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:39,380
the decades

910
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:42,680
it barely rates a mansion anymore

911
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:46,740
creationism in this country

912
00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:49,920
for the most part has been consigned to

913
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:51,950
the trash bin of History

914
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:00,079
[Music]

915
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:02,579
and we have a bit of a mixed bag but

916
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,240
let's start in the year 1933.

917
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:09,839
from the mercury in Hobart Tasmania

918
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:13,680
published on the 18th of February

919
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:17,880
Evolution Theory sermon by Pastor Gilson

920
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:20,280
in the course of his sermon at the cath

921
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:24,180
meeting held at 103 Main Road Moonah

922
00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:27,960
last night pasta Gilson stated that the

923
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:30,619
theory of evolution was without

924
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,140
foundation and quoted passages from

925
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:37,200
scripture as proof of his statement

926
00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:40,380
much strong evidence was given also he

927
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:42,920
said from the writings of leading modern

928
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:45,780
scientists upon the pillars of uniform

929
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:48,900
materialism as taught by Lyle and the

930
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:51,720
Natural Selections taught by Darwin but

931
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,579
both these theories were without

932
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,119
scientific Foundation geology absolutely

933
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,720
disproved uniform materialism

934
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:03,599
say that three times quickly the day of

935
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:06,420
Darwinism was dead

936
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:09,839
a generation of scientists having Arisen

937
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,319
that confessed quote so far as concerns

938
00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:15,839
the major group of animals the

939
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:18,599
creationists seem to have the better of

940
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,660
the argument there is not the slightest

941
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:23,880
evidence that any of the major groups

942
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:27,359
arose from any other end quote Sir James

943
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:32,520
jeans in 1931 gave in book form the

944
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:35,160
subject of the ready lectures delivered

945
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:37,319
before the University of Cambridge in

946
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:41,160
December 1930. there must have been he

947
00:43:48,609 --> 00:43:45,599
said what we may describe as a creation

948
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:48,619
at the time not infinitely remote

949
00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:52,560
Darwinism was rejected by scientists as

950
00:43:58,690 --> 00:43:55,800
being unscientific and the pillars upon

951
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,700
which Evolution stood had fallen

952
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:00,960
scientists were discovering that in

953
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:03,540
order to be scientific they must line up

954
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,960
with Bible teachings and many of the

955
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:09,480
most modern had almost entirely

956
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,740
abandoned the theory of evolution

957
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:15,420
there we go

958
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:20,040
from 1933 and the um the creationists

959
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,099
were on the cusp of Victory oh I wonder

960
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:25,680
what went wrong now let's bounce forward

961
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:29,220
to the year 1984.

962
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,560
oh an auspicious year

963
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,839
not so long ago

964
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:35,940
you know in the scheme of things not so

965
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:37,980
long ago in Australian history and this

966
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:39,240
comes to us from the Canberra times

967
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,839
dated the 29th of March in 1984.

968
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:44,460
evolution

969
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:49,380
only a theory Brisbane Queensland High

970
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,380
School teachers have been ordered not to

971
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:54,300
teach Charles Darwin's theory of

972
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:58,500
evolution as as if it was fact the

973
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:01,140
minister for Education Mr Powell told

974
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:03,300
Parliament that teachers had also been

975
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,420
instructed to present alternative models

976
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:08,960
and theories about creation and human

977
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,599
development it has long concerned me

978
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,359
that in some places there are people

979
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,240
teaching the theory of evolution as fact

980
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:22,079
he said it's not fact it's a theory

981
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:24,119
Mr Powell had been asked by the

982
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:26,819
government whip Mr Neal what Freedom

983
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,060
teachers had to interpret the board of

984
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,760
secondary school studies biology

985
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:35,040
syllabus regarding the teaching of

986
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:38,280
evolution and alternative theories there

987
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:40,680
are many of us that believe that the

988
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:43,319
origin of the species is from creation

989
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:47,819
and not from Evolution MR Powell said

990
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,700
again that was only in 1984 amazing

991
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:55,740
and now skipping ahead only a couple of

992
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,460
years to 1986 on the 6th of January in

993
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:00,800
the Canberra times

994
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:04,319
creationists grants unconstitutional

995
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,839
the Australian Skeptics believe the

996
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,220
government may have breached the

997
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:10,560
Constitution by giving export

998
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,980
development grants totaling at least

999
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:15,359
twenty seven thousand dollars to two

1000
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,180
creationist organizations the national

1001
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,520
president of Australian Skeptics Mr Mark

1002
00:46:25,630 --> 00:46:22,260
Plummer said from Melbourne yesterday

1003
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,640
that section 116 of the Federal

1004
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:27,839
Constitution prevented the government

1005
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:31,380
from establishing a religion we find it

1006
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:34,619
rather amusing that the board the export

1007
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:36,780
development grants board have made

1008
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:39,480
grants to religious organizations and we

1009
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:41,460
want to know under what pretext they got

1010
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,520
that money he said the Skeptics had made

1011
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,220
a freedom of information request to the

1012
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,200
attorney general's Department to find

1013
00:46:53,530 --> 00:46:51,599
out if checks had been made to ensure

1014
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:53,540
that the grants had not been

1015
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:57,420
inconsistent with the section Mr Plumber

1016
00:47:02,089 --> 00:46:59,940
said there had only been four legal

1017
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:02,099
cases brought under this section since

1018
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:05,099
Federation and Federation was in the

1019
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,819
year 1901 but the section was based on

1020
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,579
the United States first amendment and

1021
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,160
there had been a preponderance of U.S

1022
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,560
court cases which had gone against the

1023
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,900
state making grants to religious groups

1024
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:21,599
the grants were detailed in an 80-page

1025
00:47:26,530 --> 00:47:24,359
booklet launched by the Skeptics in

1026
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:26,540
Sydney on Friday challenging

1027
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,300
creationists beliefs it said a balance

1028
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,119
sheet of the creation Science Foundation

1029
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:35,760
limited for the year ending March 31

1030
00:47:43,329 --> 00:47:39,540
1985 listed as credit and Export Market

1031
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:43,339
development Grant of 24

1032
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:47,160
693 dollars the booklet edited by

1033
00:47:52,210 --> 00:47:48,900
Queensland scientists Dr Martin

1034
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:52,220
bridgestock and Dr Ken Smith said the

1035
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:54,420
brisbane-based foundation had grown

1036
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,500
rapidly into an organization with a 500

1037
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:01,260
000 turnover a well-produced magazine

1038
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:04,980
and newspaper and 14 full-time staff Mr

1039
00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:06,839
Plummer said the skeptic's claim was

1040
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:09,140
supported by the board's

1041
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:12,359
1984-85 annual report which listed a

1042
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:13,980
payment to the creation scientist

1043
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,140
Foundation limited of 12 444 and to the

1044
00:48:23,410 --> 00:48:20,640
creation scientist Association

1045
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:23,420
Incorporated of

1046
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,599
3177 dollars the society had also made a

1047
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:30,240
freedom of information request to the

1048
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,339
Department of trade but the department

1049
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:34,800
had refused the request on the grounds

1050
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:37,619
that it could not reveal information

1051
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:41,160
about applicants Affairs Mr Plummer said

1052
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:43,619
the creationists were holding a

1053
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,480
conference at the University of New

1054
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:48,000
South Wales from Tomorrow the Skeptics

1055
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:50,040
had challenged the creationists to

1056
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:53,160
reveal all the details of export grants

1057
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,800
and had challenged two visiting U.S

1058
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:58,319
creationists to a debate

1059
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:01,140
the very early days of Australian

1060
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:02,940
Skeptics

1061
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:06,780
and now let's turn to a magazine I think

1062
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:10,520
it's a magazine a newspaper from 1985

1063
00:49:17,290 --> 00:49:15,420
called War Ronnie from Canberra and this

1064
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:17,300
is dated the

1065
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:20,420
9th of September

1066
00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:24,240
Genesis versus Darwinism again in

1067
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:25,260
Queensland

1068
00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:30,660
democracy protector of public morals

1069
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,260
innovator in human rights and

1070
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,000
laughingstock of the continent does it

1071
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:38,400
again with an education department edict

1072
00:49:44,770 --> 00:49:42,359
that creation science must be taught in

1073
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:44,780
All State high schools

1074
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:48,180
creation science teaches that the world

1075
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,700
was created in seven days some six

1076
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:52,800
thousand years ago in a flash of

1077
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,880
inspiration of a Supreme Being creation

1078
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,040
scientists back up such claims with

1079
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:01,859
wildly inaccurate if not downright

1080
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:04,920
misleading evidence such as human

1081
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:06,900
Footprints in Fossil Beds along with

1082
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:10,859
Dinosaur prints creation science is a

1083
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,380
sham being used to attract people into

1084
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:15,599
the fundamentalist Christian churches

1085
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:18,599
and away from Orthodox science and

1086
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,619
religion

1087
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:21,599
earlier this year the Queensland

1088
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:24,420
Minister for Education Mr Lynn Powell

1089
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:27,240
ordered that creationism must be taught

1090
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:31,020
alongside evolution in all schools this

1091
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:33,180
order caused much anger in the science

1092
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,880
and education community at the time and

1093
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,920
luckily most teachers exploited a

1094
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:39,540
loophole that allowed them to teach

1095
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,900
creationism in whatever manner they

1096
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:45,000
liked just so long as it was taught

1097
00:50:50,829 --> 00:50:48,119
however Mr Powell was attacked by the

1098
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:50,839
creation Science Foundation

1099
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,839
CSF an organization that expounds

1100
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:56,640
fundamentalism Christian propaganda from

1101
00:51:03,290 --> 00:50:59,940
Brisbane for his laxity and Mr Powell's

1102
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:03,300
latest instructions to the teachers have

1103
00:51:07,450 --> 00:51:06,660
stated exactly how creationism is to be

1104
00:51:13,089 --> 00:51:07,460
taught

1105
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:13,099
guidelines non-biased and scientific

1106
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:19,079
well frankly no for this is too much to

1107
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,240
expect from an enlightened Queensland

1108
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:24,240
education Minister rather the guidelines

1109
00:51:31,390 --> 00:51:28,619
were formulated by the CSF

1110
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,400
CFS which calls itself a quote

1111
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,319
faith-funded organization and quote

1112
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,200
spends some forty thousand dollars per

1113
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:40,559
year getting its glossy magazine ex nilo

1114
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,619
into the schools around the state with

1115
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,420
approval from the minister for education

1116
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:48,480
and into occasional unsuspecting schools

1117
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:52,200
in other states last year ex nilo was

1118
00:51:56,569 --> 00:51:53,940
sent to a school in the Northern

1119
00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:56,579
Territory this school being a bit more

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alert than its neighbors across the

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border declared ex-nilo as quote

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unsuitable for children end quote and

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therefore asked to be taken off the

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mailing list CFS through a tantrum at

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this and reported in its newspaper

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prayer news

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to write to the library expressing

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indignation at such a state of affairs

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unfortunately for the library the flood

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of mail was so large that the hapless

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librarian was forced to accept the

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publication they didn't want what is the

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danger in creationism the danger lies in

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the fact that religion is being taught

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as science the very roots of science

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itself are being attacked in order to

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accommodate science to creationism the

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creationists have to change the meaning

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of the second law of Thermodynamics the

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consistency of the speed of light the

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established means of Aging the Earth and

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redefining science and scientific

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technique

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such willfully distorted claims should

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not be taught to children too young to

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question the motives and intellectual

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honesty of creationist teachers although

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the situation in Canberra is not nearly

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as worrying to scientists and Educators

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as it is in Queensland already a number

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of government schools have had

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creationism incorporated into their

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curricula one Local Government College

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actively taught creationism in both

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physics and geology classes as an

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alternative to evolution in fact at this

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00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:33,480
particular College Evolution was

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actively ridiculed and any attempt by

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the students to have creationism removed

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from the curriculum was soundly ignored

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by the science faculty and the principal

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concern one student actually stated that

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he had been discriminated against

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because of his belief in evolution and

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his results reflected this he appealed

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his appeal was successful and his

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results were amended but creationism was

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still taught

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this writer feels that the teaching of

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fundamentalist Christianity has its

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place but its place is not in schools

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religion and the state should be kept

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separate if not we can all look to Iran

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and Libya for a lead to the Future

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however let us not despair at this

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00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,000
seeming return to the Dark Ages

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scientists teachers parents and students

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are rallying around Orthodox science in

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Queensland 400 concerned people gathered

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at the University of Queensland to hear

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a series of lectures exposing the

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fraudulent basis of creation science and

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as a result an action group called

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Australian ape Australian Association

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00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:52,859
for the protection of evolution was

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formed Australian ape that's quite good

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the disassembling survival kits for

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school teachers who find themselves

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unwillingly ordered to teach creationism

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in Canberra there is a group called the

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Australian Skeptics the local branch of

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the committee for this scientific

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investigation of claims of the

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Paranormal a worldwide organization of

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concerned people who have taken major

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strides in the fight against

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irrationalism and pseudoscience the

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local branch is currently looking into

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creationism in Australian Capital

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00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,500
territory schools and the mahikeri sect

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is willing to take up other projects as

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necessary if you are interested in the

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scientific investigation of paranormal

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00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,800
occurrences perhaps becoming a local

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00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:43,680
Ghostbuster phone the secretary of the

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00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:46,740
Canberra Skeptics Dr William Gray on

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00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:49,680
516-081

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or turn up to one of our monthly

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00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,800
meetings held in the seminar room Jaeger

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00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:57,839
building Mills Road Australian National

1211
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:00,359
University at 8pm on the first Tuesday

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00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:04,319
of each month Next Issue astrology and

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00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,480
fire walking

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00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:07,920
might be worth looking at the next issue

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00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,200
and that was written by David Vernon

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00:56:13,849 --> 00:56:12,660
with thanks to Paul Kurtz chairman of

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00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,859
psychop

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00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,319
Tony thorburn nature magazine Martin

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00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,720
bridgestock Griffith University and Mark

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00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,760
Plummer Australian Skeptics for

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00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:22,800
information on creationism

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[Music]

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00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:32,400
now wouldn't it be nice to pop back in

1224
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:37,980
time some almost 40 years ago and

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00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,920
mentioned to the uh to the Skeptics at

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00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:41,760
the time

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00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:44,760
you know what in this in this instance

1228
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:47,880
it's going to turn out well creationism

1229
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:51,900
is simply going to wither and die well

1230
00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:53,460
no I shouldn't say that it's still

1231
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,099
around it's still humming around in the

1232
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:58,319
background somewhere but it's influence

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00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:01,319
in this country at least is

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00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,270
scarcely noticeable

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00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,559
[Music]

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00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:09,119
what an interesting Trove segment that

1237
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:11,339
was going back through the pages of

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00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:15,240
Australian Printed history and YouTube

1239
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:16,800
I can go back through the pages of

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00:57:20,589 --> 00:57:18,660
Australian Printed history by going to

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00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,599
Trove at

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00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,680
trove.nla.gov dot a u tell your friends

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00:57:27,049 --> 00:57:24,240
tell your neighbors tell your family

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00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:27,059
tell your enemies the more people who

1245
00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:29,220
use Trove the better in the more

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00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:32,099
likelihood that it will continue to

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00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:35,700
receive funding because when you visit

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Applause]

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00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:02,819
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:04,859
Zone podcast now it might interest you

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and this will be in this week's show

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notes that 10 years ago 10 years ago on

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00:58:16,690 --> 00:58:13,559
the skeptic Zone was episode number 222.

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and that was on the 21st of January 2013

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and the link is in the show notes and on

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that episode Maynard interviewed Dr

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00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:26,220
Chrissy Wilson about talking to the Dead

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00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,160
Maynard and I went to a

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a public q a from the danger Five

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television show which was a comedy show

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here in Australia

1264
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:39,240
also I traveled to Canberra

1265
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:41,780
for a skeptical barbecue oh that was fun

1266
00:58:47,329 --> 00:58:45,119
where uh I was there for a screening of

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00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:47,339
Brian dunning's movie here be dragons

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00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:50,280
and I seem to remember I think I

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introduced that at the time that was

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that was a lot of fun

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00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:55,980
and also in that episode there was a

1272
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:57,960
segment of the think tank where I chat

1273
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,359
to the Canberra Skeptics about

1274
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,119
conspiracy theories anyway all that was

1275
00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:05,760
happening 10 years ago

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00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:08,760
thank you to my supporters who

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00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:16,079
muchly is that what yes much much

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00:59:21,370 --> 00:59:19,319
appreciated much appreciated and I

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00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:21,380
especially uh thank my

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00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:24,900
supporter who enabled me to purchase uh

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vital equipment like an iPad and rest

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assured I am getting much use out of

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that uh a piece of equipment I really

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like USBC it's a very convenient and

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very useful and if you happen to have

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the later iPads and you like video

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00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:47,780
I'm just amazed at a free application

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you've probably heard about it called

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00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:53,520
DaVinci Resolve uh it's a full-blown

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video editor right on the iPad and it's

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00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,200
uh it's stunning I'm not getting any

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01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:00,000
Kickback from it but I've been trying it

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01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:01,520
out it's a lot to get your head around

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01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:05,700
but it's um it's just remarkable I might

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be utilizing that to make some future

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skeptical videos

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now we mentioned may not a bit earlier

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don't forget if you go to

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maynard.com.edu you can download your

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coming up on next week's show the Trove

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01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:25,740
segment will look at a report from 1990

1306
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,380
about an Australian Skeptics convention

1307
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:30,900
all those years ago

1308
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:33,720
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01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:36,660
Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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